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What's the Future of the 1911 as a Platform?

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#1 ·
On the one hand, how much more can you do with it? If I look hard enough, or pay enough, I can get any number of pretty reputable gunsmiths to build me a 1911 any which way I can imagine with everything tailored to my OCD needs, even have everything made in-house and hand fitted at every level.

On the other . . . At least from a production line standpoint, or in general trends, there do seem to be a few things more prevalent if not entirely new and original. Bobtails and rounded butts seem to be catching on, we are seeing more and more aluminum alloy and scandium alloy framed guns, Rock River is putting out a polymer 1911, different tweaks for concealed carry with your V-Bob this and your CCO that, different duty coats, the double-stack STI 2011's longer beaver tails, top of the slide serrations, angled slides to draw the eye upward and reduce weight, and even taking the platform and sort of rebuilding it around certain needs like the EMP being sort of like an Officer model 1911 designed around the 9mm & .40 S&W cartridges. While a lot of this is subtle, and maybe less of a big deal to some of you, I think it is kind of cool. Granted, some of the changes are not my cup of tea, I am a bit traditional in overall looks & feels of the 1911, and some of the 1911-inspired guns can be hit or miss. Overall I think it is nice to see the options or at least see companies trying for useful variations on a proven platform.

So . . . What do you think the future of the 1911 will actually bring, if anything? And, what would you like to see done, whether it's certain features, materials, or even just leaving the @#$% alone and returning to a more traditional GI/MilSpec ideal.

-Cheers
 
#2 ·
The new recoil spring system that Wilson and Dan Wesson have out should be cool. Longer spring life.

I can honestly say this, when I first got into 1911s, I thought they all look the same. Only when I was immersed in the platform, only did I see so many different things that one can do to the 1911. And i like most of it.
 
#6 ·
The new recoil spring system that Wilson and Dan Wesson have out should be cool. Longer spring life.
I've heard reference to that in the DW, however have not seen anything actually describing it in depth. Any link from/about Wilson/DW's?

I haven't been able to make myself put a Glock spring in a 1911 yet. :eek:
I'm pragmatic. If it works better, Glock it up! The spring at least.

-Cheers
 
#8 ·
Polymer frame and improved recoil spring is a welcome start
I almost think that would be better coming from something like a Glock (or Walther PPQ :nod: or M&P/XD/XDm and the like). Granted, the Rock River Polymer 1911 might come out like gangbusters. I'm strangely unopposed to them. That said, I just prefer metal 1911's, even an aluminum/scandium/"other" alloy frame. Anyway, I think I'd be almost cooler with one of the polymer pistol makers making their guns more like the 1911. If they could copy the trigger, that would be a nice start; I'm sure if it were possible they would have thought of it already though. The grip angle, if not already 1911-like, could be made a more natural angle (i.e. make it like a 1911). I'd love to see a polymer keep the slender grip of the 1911 as well. For me though, that's almost a "How Could I Improve a Glock" sort of thread though.

On your point though, I think Rock River Arms has you covered, at least with the polymer:
http://cheaperthandirt.com/blog/?p=17848
http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/rock-river-arms-polymer-1911/

-Cheers
 
#9 ·
I'm buying one when it comes out. Unlike Ruger's 1911, I expect the acceptance for this one to be slow since the "old-timers" will be like: "a poly framed 1911 that's blasphemy. Hell it's not a Real 1911 because 1911s are only 5" .45. Back in my day that's all we used and there ain't no way it can be improved. A group of Colt 1911s single-handedly stormed Normandy beach!"
 
#11 ·
I've heard reference to that in the DW, however have not seen anything actually describing it in depth. Any link from/about Wilson/DW's?
Here you go:
http://shopwilsoncombat.com/Flat-Wire-Recoil-Spring-Kit-Full-Size/productinfo/614/

The longest lasting handgun recoil spring made - Our special bullet proof flat wire chrome-silicon spring and standard length guide rod is now available as a drop-in assembly for your 5” 1911 pistol. This 17 pound spring is the ideal weight for most .45 ACP loads - our testing has indicated that these springs have a service life up to ten times greater than conventional coil springs.
Improves Cycling and Overall Operation
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Recoil Spring Guide Machined from Barstock
.250" Rod Diameter
17# Flat-Wire Recoil Spring
Compatible with Standard Recoil Spring Plug
 
#15 ·
It was originally designed to use a # 16 spring. Using a 18,5 spring, and once broken inn, It'll last you forever...almost. The spring thing is borderline a scheme.....or so I heard...
 
#16 ·
Hang on to your seats Gents!!!!!
I can't say much more right now as I'm in the middle of discussions with several global corporations.
 
#23 ·
1911 revolution.

You want something new in the 1911.

Name me another platform which has endured and now flurished for over 100 years, not needing any radical changes.

what's not to like.:hail:
 
#24 ·
I like the platform from originals to what we have now. I still prefer metal over poly's, and other changes like the external extractor don't really tickle my fancy. I don't like how some companies have changed the clean lines like, but to each their own. I'm always interested in seeing more technology and advancement added to the platform, but for me, a classic looking 1911 is one of the finest pistols there is.
 
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#25 ·
You want something new in the 1911.

Name me another platform which has endured and now flurished for over 100 years, not needing any radical changes.

what's not to like.:hail:
The double action revolver. BAM!

O.k., seriously, who said anything about "radical." Actually, scratch that. The 1911 has had some pretty fairly radical changes. The longer beaver tail, polished feed ramps, front cocking serrations, strap checkering, rails, Commander sized, Officer sized, CCO's, bobtails, lightweight frames, heavyweight monoliths, different calibers, reshaped slides for weight reduction, longer slides for IDPA, night sights, combat sights, 80's series internal safety, ambidextrous thumb safeties. Did I miss anything?

I'm also not saying I "want something new in the 1911." I AM saying the platform has evolved in some interesting ways (see above paragraph), and I think overall it has evolved for the better. At least, I certainly enjoy some of the variants above. They are not all for me, however I do enjoy my beavertail and combat night sights and really want a bobtail a/o CCO. I'm just curious how it might be tweaked in the future or what variants might pop up. There are probably a few other cool things that can be done to the 1911 or variants that might make sense, or even just refinements to make some variants work better (e.g. the DW ECO seems like it might solve some of the question marks around the Officer framed 1911, we'll see). I'm curious what the gunsmiths and innovative companies that deal with 1911's might have in store, even if I think it is largely a finished platform.

-Cheers
 
#26 ·
It's here to stay!
Most winning pistol in the world. Most reliable design ever created ( if build by the book). Best ergonomics, easy to modify, Easy to fix. Served this nation with top honors, and that respect for this pistol is not going to fade away anytime soon.